Why the Batman shooting is not a senseless tragedy.

Last night as I was leaving The Dark Night Rises theater, my only fear was getting in a car wreck due to all the traffic escaping the parking lot. Who would have known that in Colorado there was a mass rampage of people trying to escape because of a guy who, lets face it, wanted to be Bane in real life.

Last Night in Aurora, Colorado, James Holmes walked into a packed movie theater and opened fire on the attendees. Killing 12 and injuring several others. Reports say he threw some sort of gas canister and started opening fire.

The news is going repeat the words of Barack Obama who said “Such violence, such evil is senseless,” but by all accounts it is not.

If indeed this tragedy was nothing more then senseless act of murder…then why is everyone upset? To what moral values are people clinging to in order to make the claim that any life makes any sense at all?

We as Christians have a worldview that allows us to see life as precious. Life has meaning. Life is valuable because God has given it to us and we were created in his image to glorify Him.

However in the age of secular humanism, one cannot place any meaning or value on life. It has none. All of matter is nothing more than atoms and chemical reactions, floating in space as the dominoes that were set off at the start of the big bang continue to fall. That’s meaningless and senseless.

Over the next coming days there will be a lot of talk regarding James Holmes worldview and what would lead a man to do this. What would cause a man to do something so senseless? What would cause a man to take the lives of people who were simply trying to enjoy a movie?

Let us remember that they are using our worldview to even make such a claim. The secular humanists who destroy life with abortion, cannot suddenly become in favor of it. There can be no value to life in their worldview. Only in the eyes of a Christian can life be of immense value.

Let us also remember that the news is asking the wrong question. It is not “What would cause a man to do this?”
The correct question is “What restrains all men from doing this?”

There is only one answer to that…it is the Grace of God.

  • http://www.generationcedar.com/ Kelly Crawford

    Thank you for this poignant, right observation.

  • marc

     I cannot begin to imagine why a Christ follower would even engage to go to such a demonic movie as this. What would be gained from it? Or maybe better said, what could can be gained from it? Nothing but worldliness.

  • Tony

    Marc… Totally missed the point here. Whether a believer goes to see such a movie is a matter of conscience. Yet this is not what this article is about.

  • taylor

    I didnt know that you had to be christian to value life. and i also didnt know that the only thing restraining everyone from killing everyone else is the “grace of god.” 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U yahoo-K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U

      ”
      However in the age of secular humanism, one cannot place any meaning or value on life. It has none. All of matter is nothing more than atoms and chemical reactions, floating in space as the dominoes that were set off at the start of the big bang continue to fall. That’s meaningless and senseless.”

      If we came from nothing and when we die we go to nothing. What value do you have?

      • garrett monds

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

        Secular humanists place more value on human life than any faith or religion does, because humanists believe that this life is all you have. There is no afterlife, no reward or punishment, just the incredibly transitory phenomena known to us as ‘conscious life’. And that itself is valuable.

        And we didn’t ‘come from nothing’, it never ceases to amaze me how many religious people assume that’s what science says. The big bang was a quantum zero-point of infinite mass packed into an incredibly small volume, and it’s creation might well be the end point of a series of black holes that coalesced from the last universe.

        If we die and there is nothing, it’s because the biochemical computer that’s running the show has stopped. It is that simple.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.j.ray Charlie J. Ray

       Ultimately, if there is no faith in God then the logical implication is nihilism.  If there is no God, no heaven, no hell, and no judgment to come then why fear death?  Even in this life if someone commits a crime they face prison or the death penalty.  But how much more should men fear God who punishes such sins with eternal torment in hell?

      • garrett monds

        Look up nihilism and secular humanism. They are in no way related, and you are combining them by using ‘God’ and ‘logical’ in the same sentence. Think about that for a second.

        Someone who is irreligious has more to fear from the reality of death than anyone who believes in an afterlife. They understand that the incredibly brief human existence is over, and their consciousness goes with it. That is fear of losing something special, not fear of judgment.

        Also, think about the outstanding selective memory of religions and the faithful; history is a litany of atrocities, a great many religiously motivated. Fear of ‘eternal punishment’ has never worked, and now that humanity is growing smarter by the day, it never will. I guess we just have to try to be decent human beings, all on our own.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U yahoo-K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U

        But my decency might not be the same as your decency and who are you to say that I am wrong or bad or not decent?  What about the person who has no fear of death because they dont care that there is nothing after this, and what brings them pleasure in their brief existence on this planet is murdering other human beings?  

      • garrett monds

        I didn’t attack you at all. Decency is something that 99.99% have a grasp of. I define decency as this: ‘Allow people to pursure self-determination, without hinderance or harm. Help those that need it. Spread truth and stand on principle.’ I could expand on my personal manifesto for hours, but that’s pretty much it. Just ‘leave people alone, and don’t hurt them’.

        As someone who believes there is nothing after this let me say this: I’m terrified of death. I greatly value life and consciousness. Most people, regardless of faith or lack therof, value their lives. But there are always some, a few, who don’t. These people are wrong, and I will vehemently condemn their actions. People who derive pleasure at the expense and pain of another are truly evil.

        My point is this entire article is wrong, because whole belief structures should not be blamed for the actions of one. If someone of your faith killed people, and others blamed the faith you happen to share, would you not also be upset? Assigning blame for a national tragedy to a rise in secular humanism is erroneous, ignorant, and disingenuous. We irreligious people are having a hard enough time in this country without the dominant Christians associating us with a shooting spree.

      • Jeepin4Jesus

        No one said you attacked anyone. Stop being so sensitive. The question at hand is who decides what is decent? What is good or evil? Who is allowed to defined it? If we are all allowed to have our own definition of what is decent, then we are going to have a lot of issues at hand. What you say is decent I may disagree with and vice virsa. Do you believe that sex before marriage is OK? How about living together with someone before marriage? To me, both of those are not decent but to many in this world they are OK. Why is that? And who sets that standard?
        You comment about “If someone of your faith killed people, and others blamed the faith you happen to share, would you not also be upset?” , some would say yes, that upsets them. Extremist Islam would support the actions and take ownership of what happened. We’ve seen that time and time again. So who or what provides their moral compass? Clearly they believe that their actions are warranted while we see them as acts of terrorism. Who is right? I assume you will say “we are”. So why do you believe that? There has to be some type of innate moral compass in you as well if we are both to believe that an act of terrorism is wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3KO6KHMIY55UYIUM4R33ZTRWI kikidave77

    If his world view is the same as the Liberal Press, this story will be quite gone in a week or so.  If he was a Tea Party Member, clear your slate because it’s gonna dominate!!

  • Threebradley

    Yeah Marc and the internet is not worldly!

  • Davyboy_78

    Are their bodies even cold yet you asshole? Are you blaming insanity on lack of faith? These people and THE people eight now need compassion, and to be taught of hope in the face of tragedy … honestly this is so grotesque I can’t Finnish my thoughts and if you were the voice of Christianity I’d be ashamed to call myself one.

  • Shirley

    I think I get what you are trying to say here…but I cannot agree with you on all points.  I have many friends who value life and not all of them believe the same way we believe.  The tone in your article smacks of self-righteousness and extends very little grace or sympathy toward those in pain over this today.

  • Christian

    The
    gospel is the good news that God became a man through the Virgin Mary as Jesus
    Christ. He lived the life we should have lived and died the death we should
    have died on a cross. He rose from the dead 3 days later proving He is the Son
    of God and offering the gift of salvation to everyone who repents (turns from
    their sins) and believes the gospel of the Kingdom. If u have done that read ur
    Bible daily, do what it says 2ensure u dont lose ur salvation. Ask Jesus 2 baptize
    u in the Holy Spirit!

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  • Wayne

    He’s not saying you have to be a christian to value life, the point the author is making i beleive  is. if you are a secular humanist,atheist and or naturalist and believe that we evolved from goo and are here randomly than from that worldview what happened in colorado is no big deal. It’s just survival of the fittest! There is no right or wrong, good or bad.But thats not how people are reacting, everyone is up in arms and upset because it IS a bad thing that happened, BUT if we say something is bad and are saying it is wrong than the question is, by what standard are we saying that what happened was wrong? If your an atheist and believe in nothing but material things than how is what happened “wrong” in the ultimate sense, you can say, “i dont prefer that” but to make the objective statement that what happened is wrong is borrowing from the Christian worldview of OBJECTIVE truth…We Innatly know that shooting people in a movie theater is wrong because we all have a conscience, Gods Laws are written on our hearts even if we deny his very existence  

  • Tyler

    “Only in the eyes of a Christian can life be of immense value.”  The fact that there are so many people in the world who believe that is very saddening.  I don’t know of a single religion that doesn’t teach that human life has immense value.

    The shooter was a Christian – he went to a Presbyterian church.

    • Shirley

      Just because you sit in a garage doesn’t mean you are a car.  Just because you attend church doesn’t mean that you are a Christ-follower.  Actions speak louder than words…this man does not love people as Christ loves people.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.j.ray Charlie J. Ray

         Doctrine speaks louder than actions since no amount of good works will ever justify anyone before God on the great day of judgment.  The thief on the cross went to heaven while all the Pharisees are roasting in eternal torment in hellfire.  The teachings of Jesus and the Apostles count more than good works.  Faith/belief alone can justify the sinner before God.  Good works do not and cannot save anyone.  If so, then Christ died on the cross for nothing.

         This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. (1 Timothy 1:15 NKJ)

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.j.ray Charlie J. Ray

       All religions retain some portion of the revelation of God’s moral law written in their hearts.  But that does not mean false religions lead to God.  It simply means that despite their idolatry they have some remnant of the divine image and likeness of God such that they recognize some value for life.  On the other hand, only Reformed and Protestant Christianity teaches the absolute sovereignty of God and the doctrines of sovereign grace.  Any religion that teaches merits, good works, and self-righteousness as a means of earning heaven is inherently Pelagian and false.

  • gkjeane

    I don’t like this message because people can misconstrue the words so easily.  The real message isn’t that non-christian folks don’t value life.  What the writer should have said is “What is a non-christian’s reason for valuing life?”  The truth is that they value life because they fear what is gonna happen after they die.  Nobody wants to die because they think the afterlife is unknown.  Christians shouldn’t have a reason to fear the afterlife because they already know what is going to happen.  You either go to heaven or hell, depending on whether or not you choose to give your life up to Jesus, and turn away from your sins.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.j.ray Charlie J. Ray

       Yes but only a person who is first born again will turn from their sins.  Prior to that they are blind to their need to change their mind.  In fact repentance means literally “a change of mind” and only God can change someone’s mind about eternity and the Gospel.  (Acts 16:14; Romans 9:14-18).

  • a true thinker

    This is a bunch of crap.  Most people dont commit crimes because they dont want to get caught and go to jail not because god prevents it or because they want to go to heaven.  if you dont believe in god you certainly dont believe in the afterlife so why waste your one life in jail?  Any way where was your god when the 9 year old was killed.  why didnt god stop that if god  truly can prevent all people from doing something like this  if he can prevent it why doesnt he?  makes you think that if he can prevent it then maybe he can make it happen as well.  Either way your god seems cruel.  why create life to take it so young?  why allow people to die in war, earthquakes, mud slides….oh i know it’s gods plan – tell me another one 

    • Staum607

      lol, one of the ways God prevents crimes (sin) is through the common grace of gov’t. God has given the sword of justice and a fear of reprisals is one (of many) methods He uses to restrain our natural impulse to commit crimes (sin). 
      The second part of your statement is based on an unsubstantiated assumption, i.e. People deserve good things. You must provide proof of this in order to accuse God of neglect or cruelty. Also, if your desire is for God to prevent/punish all crimes (sin), then sadly He must send everyone to hell immediately after they commit their first sin, no grace, no mercy, no long-suffering for anyone. My guess though is you would want God to only punish those who you deem as greater criminals (sinners) than yourself, it is this warped view of your own ‘goodness’ that is causing you to cling to these illogical ideas.

      • a true thinker

        children die in war, earthquakes, mud slides and at movie theaters - there is your proof thta god is cruel

      • Staum607

        You are making two assumptions here. 1. that people are basically good (as I mentioned in my previous reply) and 2. that your personal opinion on what is wrong is actually objectively wrong. Without God, there are no moral absolutes, people are only behaving in the way evolution has created them – who are you to impose your personal opinions on the matter?

      • a true thinker

        I am me and me alone. my personal opinion is my own.  however when I see pure crap being spread into the airwaves its my duty as someone with a brain to stop it.  I could care less about your beliefs just as you care less about mine.  When pure shit is written in a time of tradegy just so you can feel comfort in your so called god then there is obviously something wrong with you or how you interpret whatever book you seem to be reading.  Remember that book was put together by men not your god and only certain story lie within it.  So actually that book you are reading is nothing more than the rantings of people from a location in the world where their seems to be a lack of truth and compassion.  Your god allows all these tragedies because we are essentially evil.  Then if this is the case condem us all. we are not worth saving.  dont make one culture compete against the other based upon religion in some cruel attempt to make us jump through hoops in order to make it to paradise of your religions choosing.  a true merciful god would not allow people to kill each other let alone kiill in his name.  One would think that god would reveal himself in order to stop the fighting.  of course you will come of with some ridiculosu reason for it not to stop it.  Your god is nothing more than the fables similar to the greek and roman gods and they in turn have since been proven false.  given time your god will fall into fable as well.  Lets hope your family is never in a tradegy and are told that it’s good that god let it happen.  i wonder in a time like that if you would be so religious and pius.  perhaps at a time like that you might even want to punch the person who said it.  but of course not you would never doubt your lord god especailly now when all seems perfect in your small world which is your dellusional head

      • Jeepin4Jesus

        It is so sad to read your rant. God will condemn all that don’t turn to him. It is a simple choice – not hoops to jump through. “If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord…” that is all you need to do. Then allow Him to change you and you will see. God is ever loving. The world we live in is full of evil and of sin. This causes a separation between us and God. It is only through Christ dying on the cross that we can be saved from hell. He was the ultimate sacrifice for you and for me. It is for you to choose that you may be saved. 
        As far as the Bible, research has shown that it was written over a period of 2000 years, by a multitude of different men yet it carries the same theme from cover to cover – and that is the message of Jesus Christ. It is actually quite fascinating.
        I hope someday you come to your knees, broken, not knowing where to turn. God will be there – waiting for you. You just need to ask.

      • a true thinker

        lol rant really?  hardly a rant more like trying to open the eyes of the blind and ignornant to the truth.  You are wrong on the bible -research has shown that the church discarded the stories they did not deem similar and burned those that they believed would challenge the thinking of the book.  you are foolish but if you choose to waste your life then so be it – i guess we see who is right once we die.  if i dont hear from you after that i assume i was right.  if i do then i will be glad to be in a place where people like you are not welcome and i will enjoy the heat

      • Jeepin4Jesus

        You are right. We will find out who was right once we die. You are wrong however that one of us will be able to check in with the other once we do. Has anyone come back from the dead to tell you where they are? Of course not! That is a profound mystery. I will continue to have the hope that my faith is correct. If I’m right, then I’ll be enjoying eternity in the presence of the Lord. Your view on hell is off a little though. It is fill with anguish and suffering, loneliness and darkness. It isn’t a day at the beach. How do I know? Well, that is part of the faith that comes with believing that there is a heaven and a hell in the first place.

      • a true thinker

        if there is a hell and a heaven then my heaven would be hell because I would not have to spend eternity with such narrow minded individuals as yourself

    • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.j.ray Charlie J. Ray

       And following your analogy, if there is a hell people ought to fear God and fear death.  Instead they think this life is all there is and if they choose to go out with a bang the only penalty is the extinction of the soul/mind.  How wrong this is.  This man will face an eternity of punishment in hell unless he repents. 

      So your answer to the problem of evil–i.e. there is no God–actually leads to MORE evil.  Of course God is in control of evil.  He is God and answers to no mere creature.  Whatever God does is right.   He can punish all mankind in hell if He so chooses because of the fall of Adam.

       Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying,`My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ (Isaiah 46:10 NKJ)
       I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’ (Isaiah 45:7 NKJ)

    • the Truth

      where you are wrong is in the fact that people say this is “God’s plan”… None of this is the plan of our God. Rather it is the plan of the world, and the world = evil. Satan is the god of the world, and “our” God is the God of heaven, the almighty God, the healing God, the providing God. El Sheddai, Jehovah Ropha, Jehova Jireh etc! Our God does not create people and make them perfect. He does not create people and make them follow him. He gives them the opportunity to choose Him or the world. He is glorified so much more by those who turn from the ways of the world, to follow Him. Where you are also wrong is with the statement “if he can prevent it, why doesnt he?” he did prevent many people from dieing? Read the stories of those who were praying for His protection during the masacre, and how they survived…
      As a final statement, “why create life to take it so young”. Remember, He creates us because He loves us. Just as much as a mother loves her son, but she can not stop her son from doing drugs or joining a gang, yet she will love her son unconditionally, no matter what he does! God loves us all, but he does not force us to do good, or to follow him. Before you post again about this subject, I challenge you to pick up a Bible, whether you believe it true or not. Or search the internet for the Parables of the lost sheep, the lost coin, the prodigal son. Then you will understand why he allows us to make our own decisions…

  • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.j.ray Charlie J. Ray

    So IF only the grace of God restrains men from being as wicked as James Holmes was in this atrocity, THEN it logically follows that God COULD have restrained James Holmes from doing this and DID NOT do so.  Ultimately, then, GOD determined that this act of violence would occur.  God knows the future in every detail.  So God could have intervened and prevented this tragedy.  Hence, it was God’s secret will (Deuteronomy 29:29) coming to pass in reality.  That God predetermined this event in no way removes the culpability and responsibility of the individual who perpetrated the crime since God does not violate the will of anyone.  YET God was fully in charge of everything that occurred via secondary causes.  

    Picture God as a lifeguard who sits idly by and does nothing to save those He sees drowning.  Ultimately then, one cannot exonerate God by saying that He “merely permits” evil.  The Bible says that God creates evil for His own glory and purposes. He is totally and completely sovereign:

    I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’ (Isaiah 45:7 NKJ)
     All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven And among the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand Or say to Him, “What have You done?” (Daniel 4:35 NKJ)
     ”Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; (Acts 2:23 NKJ)
     ”For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 “to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done. (Acts 4:27-28 NKJ)
     Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying,`My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ (Isaiah 46:10 NKJ)
     The LORD of hosts has sworn, saying, “Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, And as I have purposed, so it shall stand: (Isaiah 14:24 NKJ)

    • garrett monds

      Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

      Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

      Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

      Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
      -The Epircurean Paradox. Your argument is invalid.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U yahoo-K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U

        What is evil? And by what standard is evil judged?

      • garrett monds

        Evil is a wrong perpetuated on human beings, and that standard is whether or not harm came to someone. It is that simple. To say that anything conscious out there would allow, condone, or ignore the presence of evil is itself evil. I just wanted Charlie to understand the absurdity of his argument, that something determined or allowed people to die for going to a movie.

      • hmkjr

         I was wondering who defines “wrong”, so I looked up the word wrong and got this – not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed.

        So then, the question becomes, who defines what is morally right or good?

  • Al

    I totally agree. Secular humanism boils down to, “A life has meaning only if there is someone to care about that life and mourn its loss.” Not because that life is created in God’s image and because God cares, for he sees the sparrow when it falls. The outcome of secular humanist reason would be that a human life only has value or meaning if it is “wanted” and loved. So, by that same definition, the person who dies, who had no one in their life to care about them, was meaningless and not really valid. It is the same when a preborn baby is seen as a person because that baby is a “wanted” baby, while the preborn baby who is not wanted, who is seen as an inconvenience or a reminder of his/her parents’ irresponsibility or immorality, is defined as a non-person, a blog of tissue, a mass of cells, and has no value, and therefore is he/she is worthy of destruction and disposal. It’s all about whether a person is valued or loved or important to another person, or has some kind of worth to society, that decides if they are human or not and a life with meaning. This is no different than what fueled the ideology of Hiter, Stalin, and so many others. The same spirit is among us; it never left. History keeps repeating itself. Only God’s word, which is life, can change any human soul.

    • garrett monds

      You need to review your understanding of secular humanism. All life is valuable, because our very existence is extraordinary. People can be decent human beings all on their own, and they usually. It’s just that the exceptions get so much more press.

      Like I said above: ‘think about the outstanding selective memory of religions and the faithful; history is a litany of atrocities, a great many religiously motivated.’ To suddenly mention Hitler and Stalin as being related to secular humanism is simultaneously disingernous, ignorant, and revisionistic. Bravo.

  • jamey_elaine102

    There are some things here that bother me.

     Peoples’ opinions are not so black and white. Just because I believe abortion should be legal does NOT at all mean I believe that there is no value of life. I actually believe that an embryo is not life because it’s not sustainable. Until it can survive on its own, it’s just a tumor. I disagree that life has no meaning in a non-christian view. How many other religions forbid murder? All of them!  This is an extremely narrow-minded view and I urge you to put more thought into it and question! Always question EVERYTHING.

  • Megan

    Non Christians (and people who don’t subscribe to any sort of religion) can and do value life, very much so because this is the only life we’ve got and we want to cherish every moment of it.

    I’ve been an atheist for years. By this person’s logic, I should already have shot up everyone I know and become a psycho mass murderer. -.-

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U yahoo-K3ZWHANRJRJR474S2VY27LOZ4U

    Where’d the mass come from?

    • garrett monds

      At the center of nearly every galaxy is a supermassive black hole. Over time, matter will ‘fall’ into these black holes, and they will expand. With expansion, there will be more mass. With more mass, the pull is greater and more matter will fall into it. The cycle repeats for billions of years until the universe is populated by nothing but black holes, and these black holes fall into each other. When enough of them join, their already incomprehensible masses will reach a new threshold, possibly igniting another origin event; or what we might call ‘the Big Bang.’ That’s a short-and-sweet cyclic universe theory. We obviously do not know for sure, but it’s a step in the right direction. Astronomy is amazing stuff.

      • Bmac21

        Where did the galaxy and the black holes come from? 

      • Jeepin4Jesus

        Where does the matter come from? Your argument ignores this fundamental issue. Matter needed to come from somewhere. It wasn’t created from nothing because within nothing, all you have is, well, nothing.

        Here’s the deal – If I asked you “where did your car come from?” You would tell me it is a Ford or Chevy, maybe a Honda or something else. Did it just appear in your driveway? No. Someone had to design it. Do you agree? It didn’t happen by chance. Same thing with the chair or bench you are sitting on. These objects, some fairly complex, others quite simple, were clearly created, designed by human hands and thoughts. We as human beings, have so many amazing and wonderful functions – eye sight, feeling, blood clotting, hunger, etc. We are clearly created by something. If we had evolved, why then didn’t the first animal die immediately and cease to exist after it was cut the first time? Blood clotting is a complex function of every animal. My point is, we are way to complex to have just happened by chance. 

      • Jeepin4Jesus

        Where does the matter come from? Your argument ignores this fundamental issue. Matter needed to come from somewhere. It wasn’t created from nothing because within nothing, all you have is, well, nothing.

        Here’s the deal – If I asked you “where did your car come from?” You would tell me it is a Ford or Chevy, maybe a Honda or something else. Did it just appear in your driveway? No. Someone had to design it. Do you agree? It didn’t happen by chance. Same thing with the chair or bench you are sitting on. These objects, some fairly complex, others quite simple, were clearly created, designed by human hands and thoughts. We as human beings, have so many amazing and wonderful functions – eye sight, feeling, blood clotting, hunger, etc. We are clearly created by something. If we had evolved, why then didn’t the first animal die immediately and cease to exist after it was cut the first time? Blood clotting is a complex function of every animal. My point is, we are way to complex to have just happened by chance. 

  • Kojent444

    i think this confused kid so-to-speak did this close to columbine because of harlequinade….the play the character harley quinn is adapted from…..trying to be all deep and that.